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Median, Case-Schiller, and What’s Real

There are various methods to manipulate statistics to eventuate a predetermined or predisposed outcome.  Or if one is a blogger, one may pick and choose other articles which include those conclusions which one already agrees with. (That is my personal fav.)  Unless every last smidgen of data is included and analyzed as regards a particular event or behavior, there is a chance that the resulting statistics will not be all inclusive, or maybe just plain inaccurate.  For comparison and as much possible clarity, it is usually best to use the number set that is standard for a particular statistic.  An example would be to use sales to calculate monthly inventory instead of some arbitrary and misleading number called ‘deals’.

The comments sections of blogs seem to have a running argument about whether the quoted statistic should be using the average or the median or maybe even the mean.  In my observation, all are reasonable and eventually reflect the same outcomes or trends.  Median is the number most used for displaying real estate prices trends and IMO, it is probably the best indicator of real estate price trends.  But it is just a price trend and in the short term it is a mistake to assume that if the median price of homes in a particular area is rising or falling, that the price of individual homes is concurrently rising or falling.  If fifteen homes sold in Coto de Caza last month and the median price rose, it does not particularly follow that the price of all, some, or even any of the homes that sold, sold for more than they sold for last year, or last month, or any other time period.

from Wikipedia”

In probability theory and statistics, a median is described as the numeric value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half. The median of a finite list of numbers can be found by arranging all the observations from lowest value to highest value and picking the middle one. If there is an even number of observations, then there is no single middle value; the median is then usually defined to be the mean of the two middle values.[1][2]

In a sample of data, or a finite population, there may be no member of the sample whose value is identical to the median (in the case of an even sample size) and, if there is such a member, there may be more than one so that the median may not uniquely identify a sample member. Nonetheless the value of the median is uniquely determined with the usual definition. A related concept, in which the outcome is forced to correspond to a member of the sample is the medoid.

At most half the population have values less than the median and at most half have values greater than the median. If both groups contain less than half the population, then some of the population is exactly equal to the median. For example, if abc, then the median of the list {abc} is b, and if abcd, then the median of the list {abcd} is the mean of b and c, i.e. it is (bc)/2.

When we see a article with a title saying something like “Home Prices are Rising”, or “Home Prices are Falling”, it is our responsibility as readers to understand what we are reading.  (Cuz, the author most likely won’t tell us).  We have seen articles in the OC Register and other MSM with titles like this, and while I hesitate to point and say they are intentionally misleading, they are misleading.  There are some areas in Orange County, (Irvine and maybe Santa Ana), in which some homes have appreciated since 2009, but it is not the majority of areas, and it is a small percentage of the total number of OC homes.

Most of the time, a change in the median home price will indicate a trend in individual home prices, but not always. Median home prices in the OC have risen.  Individual home prices have not, or in other words, home values are not appreciating.  And the fundamentals affecting home prices have not improved .  Is household formation increasing? Are wages and income increasing?  Is employment increasing?

Every method for analyzing data only reflects exactly that data which is used and does not always fit our notion of what is important.  Personally, I think that over time, the median price is the best number to use to keep track of home prices, but I have to remember what I am looking at.  For me, Case-Schiller is the bible of home price statistics and I get a little uppity whenever I read someone questioning Case-Schiller results or methods, but it is dangerous to get complacent and never question that which we take for granted, and even Case-Schiller should be examined.

Jim the Realtor at bubbleinfo.com, takes on Case-Schiller in “August Sales Revisited.”

from Jim Klinge

We’ll take a closer look at the Case-Shiller Index, but if I were you, I wouldn’t be betting in their futures parlour based on what you see on the street.

Open House: Sign on the Dotted Line

6 Via Presea

6 Via Presea, the topic of much reader discussion on our post “Shadow Inventory Sees The Light, (And It May Not Be So Pretty)” just listed n open house for this Sunday, September 5th from 11am – 3pm.  It also comes with this warning:

SHOWING AGENTS AND BUYERS: ACKNOWLEDGMENT REGARDING TOXIC MOLD DISCLOSURE & RELEASE MUST BE SIGNED *PRIOR* TO ACCESS. ENTRANCE ACKNOWLEDGES RECEIPT OF SAID FORMS (POSTED).

If any of our readers are brave enough to go check this out, we’d love to hear your thoughts.  $166/sqft for 6038 square feet and 5.5 acres of land sounds like a potential “Blue Light Special” in the making… of course, it could also be a candidate for “Extreme Home Makeovers”.

If you go see it, please reply to this thread and give us the low down… what did you think?  What did you find out?  Did they have cookies?

This Week in Coto (9/3/2010)

Coto Country @ $200/sqft and under $600k

Active Listings

Your active listings look like:

Price Range 8/27/2010 9/3/2010 Change
< $750k 16 14 -2
$750k-$1mil 23 22 -1
$1mil-$1.25mil 21 19 -2
$1.25mil-$1.5mil 7 6 -1
$1.5mil-$2mil 19 20 1
$2mil-$3mil 14 14 0
$3mil-$4mil 4 4 0
$4mil+ 19 20 1
Total 123 119 -4

New listings for this week:

Date Address Tract Short? Sqft Current Price $ / Sqft Sellers Agent
8/29/2010 31232 Via Colinas Forest FALSE 10548 $3,999,000.00 $379.12 Christine Wentworth
8/31/2010 6 Atherton Atherton FALSE 5300 $2,100,000.00 $396.23 Ken Bowen
8/31/2010 31831 Capuchina Way Los Ranchos Estates FALSE 11000 $5,950,000.00 $540.91 Scott Ostlund
8/31/2010 5 Victoria Rosewood FALSE 3938 $995,000.00 $252.67 Barbara Kirk
9/1/2010 14 Marchin Valle Vista FALSE 3900 $949,000.00 $243.33 Bobbi Mezger
9/1/2010 7 Sky Meadow Oak View FALSE 4800 $1,675,000.00 $348.96 Jim Chiuminatta
9/2/2010 310831 Via Consuelo Arbours FALSE 5500 $2,050,000.00 $372.73 Stephanie Walling
9/3/2010 8 Palomino Woods FALSE 6000 $2,850,000.00 $475.00 Lyn Chadwick

Escrow

Your current escrow looks like:

Price Range 8/27/2010 9/3/2010 Change
<$750k 9 10 1
$750k-$1mil 17 17 0
$1mil-$1.25mil 4 6 2
$1.25mil-$1.5mil 3 2 -1
$1.5mil-$2mil 6 6 0
$2mil-$3mil 3 6 3
$3mil-$4mil 0 0 0
$4mil+ 0 0 0
Total 42 47 5
Short Sales 26 28 2
Equity Sales 16 19 3

New homes into escrow this week:

Date Address Tract Short? Sqft Current Price $ / Sqft Sellers Agent
8/28/2010 72 Panorama Pinnacle FALSE 5200 $2,199,000.00 $422.88 Ken Bowen
8/28/2010 25 Salinger Chatham FALSE 4800 $1,229,000.00 $256.04 Debra Kovacs
8/31/2010 12 Cambridge Stonehedge TRUE 2300 $629,000.00 $273.48 Ellen Parker
9/1/2010 5 Winston Weatherly TRUE 5684 $2,150,000.00 $378.25 Jan Hartfield-Swaim
9/2/2010 8 Hunter Woods FALSE 7200 $2,799,000.00 $388.75 Ken Bowen
9/3/2010 10 Coastal Oaks Oak Ridge FALSE 2800 $675,000.00 $241.07 ORA Cole Team
9/3/2010 11 Pine Valley Summerfield FALSE 3424 $810,000.00 $236.57 Julia Arakelian
9/3/2010 6 Taylynn Terra Vida TRUE 4400 $1,199,000.00 $272.50 Nora Gallogly

Closed Sales

The last 4 weeks of closed sales looks like:

Price Range 8/13/2010 8/20/2010 8/27/2010 9/3/2010 Total
<$750k 0 0 1 0 1
$750k-$1mil 1 3 1 1 6
$1mil-$1.25mil 1 0 0 0 1
$1.25mil-$1.5mil 0 0 2 1 3
$1.5mil-$2mil 0 0 0 0 0
$2mil-$3mil 1 0 0 0 1
$3mil-$4mil 0 0 0 0 0
$4mil+ 0 0 0 0 0
Total 3 3 4 2 12
4 Week Total 14 12 13 12

Closed sales for the past 2 weeks:

Closed Sales Address Tract Sold $ / Sqft Talkdown Sellers Agent Buyers Agent
8/21/2010 29 Karam Silver Creek $1,265,000.00 $287.50 -8% Jeana Keough Linus Park
8/23/2010 18 Knotty Oak Oak View $1,325,000.00 $265.00 -4% Jennifer Castaneda Cheryl Lynch
8/24/2010 11 Lyra Way Courante $725,000.00 $223.42 -6% Yang Kim Out of Area
8/24/2010 7 Pictor Courante $870,000.00 $263.64 -3% Carole Geronsin June Radke
8/30/2010 31876 Via Pato Village $800,000.00 $266.67 0% Ken Bowen Barry Sonek
8/31/2010 8 Via Terracaleta Arbours $1,390,000.00 $295.74 -3% Ken Bowen Sean Montgomery
9/2/2010 18 Northampton Stonehedge $550,000.00 $208.89 0% Auctioneer

Price Changes

Date Address Tract Current Price Old Price Change
8/28/2010 8 Aquila Way Crooked Oak $1,065,000.00 $1,100,000.00 -3%
8/28/2010 3 Princeton Montecito $605,000.00 $619,000.00 -2%
8/29/2010 22431 Avena Los Ranchos Estates $3,500,000.00 $3,200,000.00 9%
8/31/2010 8 Jackson Tanglewood $819,000.00 $839,000.00 -2%
8/31/2010 19 Pamela Rosewood $1,175,000.00 $1,190,000.00 -1%
9/1/2010 20 Dartmouth Montecito $705,000.00 $725,000.00 -3%
9/1/2010 24262 Fairway Coto Country $599,000.00 $659,000.00 -9%
9/1/2010 3 Lusitano Arroyo Sur $985,000.00 $1,150,000.00 -14%
9/2/2010 23445 Via Codorniz Village $1,099,000.00 $1,135,000.00 -3%
9/3/2010 20 Dartmouth Montecito $690,000.00 $705,000.00 -2%
9/3/2010 24086 Fairway Coto Country $799,000.00 $750,000.00 7%
9/3/2010 24162 Fairway Coto Country $759,000.00 $775,000.00 -2%
9/3/2010 9 Salinger Chatham $1,099,000.00 $1,179,000.00 -7%

Comments

Hasn’t the summer ended?

8 new listings, all equity sales! 5 of the 8 are above $2mil, 4 of which are custom homes, so you are talking $350+/sqft.   With 6 homes asking more than $2mil showing Backup Offers, there appears to be a market for homes in the $2-$3m range if they are priced appropriately.  Total inventory dropped 4 homes again due to some delistings probably due to the end of the summer.

Pending offers are up 5, and the trend of more equity sales continues.    3 homes over $2m accepted offers in the past 2 weeks.  5 Winston and 8 Hunter both accept offers again, we’ll see if they stick this time.  Asking $2.15m I’m surprised 5 Winston has lasted as long as it had.  5 of the 8 offers accepted are equity sales, 2 of those are REOs.

Total closed sales continue around the 12-14 range.  With the pace of accepted offers on equity sales recently, we expect this number to start averaging above 15, probably closer to 17.  We should expect probably 4-5 more closings next week.

Your typical spread of price changes.  22431 Avena was intesting in that its price went up from $3.2m to $3.5m and then the home delisted.  Given its a FSBO, this may indicate they found a bidder and are taking it back to the bank, we’ll see. (their next scheduled auction is in 2 weeks)  Jeana’s listing over in Coto Country also saw a price increase from $750k to near $800k, meanwhile 24262 Fairway saw a 9% drop from $659k to $599k.

Happy house hunting.  Make sure to check out 6 Via Presea this weekend, and let us know if the lot is suitable for cdcrez’s World of Ice Blocking Theme Park.

What are They Smokin’ at the NAR?

It is amazing that so many can express my thoughts better than me.  I read articles and there is someone expressing my thoughts, and better than I can express them.

from Barry Ritholtz at The Big Picture:

Attention RE Agents: NAR Spin is Counter-Productive

We have had a god-awful run of Housing data. New and Existing Home Sales, Defaults and Foreclosure data, even the Case Shiller report — all have been utterly horrific.

In light of this , I want to make the following announcement:  Attention RE Agents! The National Association of Realtors are doing you a terrible disservice.

Consider the following comments from a RE Agent, published  exactly three years ago (September 4, 2007) in the Realty Times:

“The National Association of Realtors and your state association will always have published reports that sound better than what you are personally experiencing in the market. Please understand that they support us. They know that whatever they say will end up in public press. We do not need any more negative press! When you read reports that we have reached the bottom or that the market has actually gone up, take it with a grain of salt. Their job is to permeate the world with good news about real estate.”

In other words, mislead the public with spin. Create false hope. Lie. This agent was defending the National Assocation of Realtor’s blatant dishonesty — a mistake on its face — just as the damage they did began to have an effect.

What the NAR was offering to buyers, sellers, their agents, indeed, anyone involved with Housing, was the blue pill.

The sort of nonsense the Realtor’s group peddles helps explain why sellers have incorrectly believed a recovery was imminent, even as housing went through a historic collapse. It is why home owners incorrectly still expect their homes to go appreciate by 10% a year.

These false beliefs have real world consequences. They create ridiculous expectations among sellers, who selectively grab onto any positive news they can. They choose the temporary blissful ignorance of illusion — that damned blue pill — versus embracing the painful truth of reality (i.e., the red pill).

This confirmation bias leads sellers into mis-pricing the value of their homes. They have been a season or even a year or more behind the pricing curve the entire way down.

Ask any listing agent how difficult it is to get sellers to become realistic in their asking prices. Real Estate agents would be moving a helluvalot more houses if they were not fighting misinformation that the NAR has put into the marketplace. Many, many agents have confirmed that, even in this crummy environment, a good house properly priced will sell.

Here’s a question for you reality (vs NAR realty) agents. Ever wonder why you seem to be having such a hard time convincing sellers to set reasonable asking prices? Ever ponder why they have such a distorted sense of the true value of their homes? Ever try to get them to set reasonable asking numbers that are competitive with current market prices?

The short answer: NAR spin.

To see how bad this false NAR narrative has become, check out a new show on HGTV: “Real Estate Intervention.” The show’s hosts travel to homeowners in an attempt to convince them to sober up, put the magic mushrooms away, and price their houses realistically. They literally drag these poor bastards to nicer comparable homes to theirs — better locations, bigger square footage, nicer kitchens — all in an effort to TALK SELLERS INTO REALISTIC PRICE POINTS.

Gee, where do you think sellers got these crazy ideas? Might the NAR, by encouraging a fantasy, be actually hurting the housing market as a whole?

Even the normally staid NYT has recognized how absurd the NAR spin has become. This past weekend, Joe Nocera began an article with the sentence: “You have to wonder sometimes what they’re smoking over there at the National Association of Realtors.”

To read the entire article, click on the link.

But, we have to repeat the following:

Ask any listing agent how difficult it is to get sellers to become realistic in their asking prices. Real Estate agents would be moving a helluvalot more houses if they were not fighting misinformation that the NAR has put into the marketplace. Many, many agents have confirmed that, even in this crummy environment, a good house properly priced will sell.

Here’s a question for you reality (vs NAR realty) agents. Ever wonder why you seem to be having such a hard time convincing sellers to set reasonable asking prices? Ever ponder why they have such a distorted sense of the true value of their homes? Ever try to get them to set reasonable asking numbers that are competitive with current market prices?

Check out this latest listing.  What are they smoking?

7 Sky Meadow

7 Sky Meadow asking price of $1,675,000.  WT_?

NOD for $390

For those of you who have just tuned in, a Notice of Default, NOD, is the notice to the borrower that the lender has initiated foreclosure procedures.  The NOD shows the default amount to be paid to bring the loan current.  If the amount is paid, the foreclosure proceedings are canceled.  The default amount is usually more than $20,000 in Coto and we have seen amounts in the hundreds of thousands.

Wells Fargo has filed an NOD for a 2nd mortgage loan on a property in Coto for $390.  Yup, $390.  Ok, banks are bureaucracies and they most likely just follow some sort of standard procedure on defaults, but $390?

For some the question may be, why would anyone let their loan go into default for only $390?  Our guess that the payments on neither mortgage are being paid and Wells Fargo just happened to beat Wells Fargo to the punch.  What?  Yeah, Wells Fargo is the 1st holder also. 

So, if the 2nd holder, Wells Fargo, takes the property back at auction, will the 2nd holder, Wells Fargo, make payments to the 1st holder, Wells Fargo, or will the 1st holder, Wells Fargo, foreclose on the 2nd holder, Wells Fargo.

Ya know, this stuff is too rich; ya can’t make it up.

We’re Ba-a-a-ack – 31731 Capuchina Way

31731 Capuchina Way

31731 Capuchina Way was just listed for sale with an asking price of $5,950,000 and the SELLER MEANS BUSINESS.  We know that because that is a direct quote from the description of the new listing.  31731 Capuchina Way last sold in Jaunary of 2010 for $2,900,000.

From $2,900,000 to $5,950,000; those must be some some of the HANDS DOWN BEST VALUE renovations around.  After all, the “Seller is a Realtor who wants/knows how to get things sold fast. Seller is listing broker.”

The listing points out that one of the reasons that 31731 Capuchina Way is now “HANDS DOWN BEST VALUE/PRICE IN THE ESTATES“, is because “Avg. asking in Estates is $867 per square foot, this is under $600 per square foot.” Now help me out dear readers, but it occurs to me that the asking prices of other homes is irrelevant and the only thing that is relevant to relative value are SELLING PRICES.  I am fairly sure that Delroy will soon let us know what the median and average selling prices are in the estates.

Anywhooz,  31731 Capuchina Way is the subject of our posts, “Doing Coto the double tall sugar free vanilla non fat Capuchina Way.“, “A Tale of Two Foreclosures“, “Update to “What the heck are You Doing with that Capuchina?”“, “YAPR: Sugar, Cream, or Foreclosure in Your Capuchina“, “Update to “Sugar, Cream, or Foreclosure in Your Capuchina”“, “Update to “Sugar, Cream, or Capuchina in Your Foreclosure”“, “Update 31731 Capuchina Way“, “Sugar, Cream, or Foreclosure in Your Capuchina“, and finally “The Mortgage Interest Deduction.”

We think maybe 31731 Capuchina Way should get it’s own category on the CHB.  What do you think?

Update to 11 Pine Valley

11 Pine Valley

The last we had visited 11 Pine Valley, the NTS had been cancelled, again.  We did not know why, but now we, and of course you our dear readers will know.  The loan was bought by a company called Kondaur Capital, probably as part of a package of many, many loans.  By many, many, we mean maybe thousands.  County records show that Kondaur paid $800,000 for 11 Pine Valley, but we have no idea how that amount was proportioned to the loan with the property addressed as 11 Pine Valley in the overall package of thousands of loans.  Maybe each property/loan has a dollar number attached to it, I dunno.  After Kondaur Capital buys a loan, it does whatever is necessary to get the property to market quickly, including cash for keys and accepting a deed in lieu from the owners/borrowers.  County records show Kondaur obtaining ownership of 11 Pine Valley via a Trustee’s Deed – (Certificate of Title), and we are fairly certain that is the deed used for a ‘deed in lieu’ type of transfer of ownership.  Please feel free to correct us in the comments section.  We will take no offense.  We are not in the real estate business and display our ignorance openly.

11 Pine Valley was recently listed for sale for $810,000.  We are having a difficult time accepting the listing’s info that the number of bathrooms is 2.5 and the garage spaces is 2.  If any of our dear readers live in or know of this tract and can give us more accurate info, we would be grateful.

Tres – 8 Taiga

8 Taiga

It is not a record, but it is the 3rd NOD in two years, not including those filed by the CZ Master Association.  8 Taiga is the featured property of our posts, “Oh, My Goodness“, “Sometimes They Cure“, and “The Housing ATM.”  The amount in arrears has increased by $84,399 since the last NOD to $411,580 and will continue to increase until the auction.  If we had to guess, we would say the auction, when the NTS is filed, will be postponed until January of 2011.  The first NOD recorded in April of 2008 which does not tell us when the payments stopped.

It just occurred to us that people are still able to use their homes as ATMs even though they can no longer borrow on them.  Do you ever feel like a fool for paying your mortgage?

Sorry, but We Kinda Expected it – 31232 Via Colinas

31232 Via Colinas

Truthfully, we did not kinda expect it.  We totally expected it.  31232 Via Colinas has been listed for sale.  31232 Via Colinas has been the featured property of our posts, “Au Revoir?”, which is best translated as until we meet again, not goodbye, “If You Build it, They Will Come“, but they will not buy unless the price is right, “Update to Huh“, “Huh?”, “Update to the Reappearing House“, “Update to the Disappearing House“, “The Disappearing House“, and “Washington D.C. Was Built to Impress.”

How long do you think before we see 4/6 Palma Valley listed for sale?  We don’t really hate to say we told you so.

BEDS: 6
BATHS: 7.75
SQ. FT.: 10,548
$/SQ. FT.: $379
LOT SIZE: 1.57 Acres
PROPERTY TYPE: Residential, Single Family
STYLE: 3+ Levels, Tuscan
VIEW: Hills, Mountain, Yes
YEAR BUILT: 2007
COMMUNITY: Coto De Caza
COUNTY: Orange
MLS#: S630603

Private Transfer Taxes

The following language was brought to our attention from a listing.

Legal Disclosures

  • Private Transfer Taxes
  • Homeowners Association

How often do you see ‘Private Transfer Taxes’?  And what are they?  Well, we looked them up?  Wikipedia only had a definition for ‘transfer tax’; A transfer tax is a tax on the passing of title to property from one person (or entity) to another.

But, nothing specific for PRIVATE transfer tax, so we had to go elsewhere.  This from Realty Times:


Private transfer taxes are not really taxes; only government has the ability to tax. Rather, they are fees. Nevertheless, they sure act and feel like taxes. These fees are deed restrictions imposed by a developer which require a fee to be paid every time a property within the development is sold. Many in Orange County are familiar with similar transfer fees that are used to fund community service organizations. These may support various community amenities such as golf courses, club houses, and social activities.

The private transfer taxes that CAR opposes differ in important ways. There is no requirement that their proceeds be used to benefit the individual property or the neighborhood. This is perfectly legal. Indeed, even individuals can do this. For example, I could place a deed restriction on my house that would require that, in every future sale, 1 percent of the purchase amount would go to fund the Hunt Family Perpetual Vacation Fund. Of course, no one would then be inclined to purchase the property.

We found explanations on other sites, but they pretty much all say the same thing, and in the 15 minutes we spent looking, we could find no organization that defended the practice of private transfer taxes.

If we are not mistaken, the listing that initially received our attention is in the Courante tract?  We looked at a few other listings in the Courante tract and could find no mention of private transfer taxes.  Is the private transfer tax shown on the listing specific to Courante, South Coto, or what?  Does anybody know if the developer of that tract included this assessment?  Do you know of other listings that show a private transfer tax?  Does anyone know who the beneficiary of this private transfer tax is?  If you have bought a home in Coto, were you assessed a private transfer tax?